[JDEV] jabberd and Proxies : leave AOL alone

[Dave]

Before we go picking at AOL, it's worth noting that an IPv6 network
has no way of accessing our IPv4 internet without proxies, unless your
IPv6 network also has a valid IPv4 block mapped to it.  In that case,
putting your server on the Internet will be impossible, even if you
aren't using AOL.  Having an HTTP-based s2s sidesteps all these issues
in a very convenient way.

 - Dave


=?iso-8859-1?Q?Riviere_St=E9phane_Jean?= wrote:
> 
> It's probably not the rigt place to deal about that, but can AOL call itself
> an ISP ? What they offers is an access to the web (==port 80), not to the
> whole Internet, all their other services are proprietary solutions....
> 
> So, if AOL is your provider, forget about all the wonderful things the
> Internet can offer...
> 
> 
> If you find Jabber great and have AOL as ISP, the only thing to do is find
> another ISP !
> I think that losing clients is the only thing that can make AOL understand
> that their proprietary policy is not the right one...
> 
> 
> 
> Stephane.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Richard Dobson [mailto:richard at dobson-i.net]
> Envoyé : vendredi 8 mars 2002 10:13
> À : jdev at jabber.org
> Objet : Re: [JDEV] jabberd and Proxies
> 
> 
> Well if you are using an AOL dialup connection to host a jabber server then
> I think you have much greater problems to deal with anyway, also there is a
> reason ISP's use such measures, so they can stop people hosting servers on
> their connections when they shouldnt be in the first place, if you want to
> host a server in such a situation change to an ISP that does not have the
> aformentioned proxy servers.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <dave at dave.tj>
> To: <jdev at jabber.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 5:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [JDEV] jabberd and Proxies
> 
> 
> > If you control your firewall, that's great.  If you're behind AOL's proxy,
> > though, you really need a crutch if you want to be able to run your own
> > server ;-)
> >
> >  - Dave
> >
> >
> > Thomas Muldowney wrote:
> > >
> > > I disagree.  Jabber is another service that firewall admins should deal
> > > with appropiately.  Tunnelling is a crutch and abuse of a good firewall
> > > setup, and I think should be avoided.
> > >
> > > --temas
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 14:43, Dave wrote:
> > > > Maybe we should set up some sort of HTTP-based s2s protocol?  That'll
> > > > allow servers to talk to each other even when they're behind
> firewalls.
> > > > (HTTP-based c2s already exists.)
> > > >
> > > > Dave Cohen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =?iso-8859-1?Q?Riviere_St=E9phane_Jean?= wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The answer is : NO
> > > > >
> > > > > And a proxy would only allow outgoing connection (yourServer ->
> > > > > jabber.org:5269) but not the incoming one (jabber.org ->
> yourServer:5269)
> > > > > s2s needs 2 simultanous TCP connection to work...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > > De : Rodrigo Borrego Bernabé [mailto:rb20 at tid.es]
> > > > > Envoyé : mercredi 6 mars 2002 15:06
> > > > > À : jdev at jabber.org
> > > > > Objet : Re: [JDEV] jabberd and Proxies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't open that port.
> > > > > So there is no way to say a jabber server it should use a proxy
> (maybe with
> > > > > a tag in s2s description)?
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > >     Rodrigo
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Riviere Stéphane Jean" <Stephane.SR.Riviere at atosorigin.com>
> > > > > To: <jdev at jabber.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:01 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [JDEV] jabberd and Proxies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if this has changed with the 1.4.2 server but it wasn't
> > > > > possible with the 1.4.1.
> > > > > You have to open the 5269 port on your firewall to enable s2s
> > > > > communication...
> > > > >
> > > > > Stéphane.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > > De : Rodrigo Borrego Bernabé [mailto:rb20 at tid.es]
> > > > > Envoyé : mercredi 6 mars 2002 12:11
> > > > > À : jdev at jabber.org
> > > > > Objet : [JDEV] jabberd and Proxies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can a jabberd server work through a Proxy?
> > > > > I mean, I have my server compiled and working. Clients can connect,
> users
> > > > > can talk (only users connected directly to my server), etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the server cannot find jabber.org. And it's because there's a
> proxy
> > > > > between my server and the Internet.
> > > > > Could anybody help me? Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rodri
> > > > >
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