[JDEV] forms

[Peter Saint-Andre]

That's why we have the forms-jig, to hash these issues out. :)

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Sebastiaan 'CBAS' Deckers wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> IMO, the forms JEP are incredibly simplistic.
> I honestly don't see how one could build a decent form (I mean the layout)
> with the scheme you suggested, only a long list of input fields/boxes/etc.
> Why shouldn't Jabber use XHTML/CSS to display forms? That way it fits into
> Jabber's XML tags and we can guarantee forms will look (almost) identical on
> every user's display.
> 
> btw, why don't you include an editable pull-down box in the JEP? (I wish
> they had put them into the HTML spec!)
> Oh, I think you left out file-selection boxes ... those can be quite useful.
> 
> Bye,
> Sebastiaan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter at jabber.org>
> To: <forms-jig at jabber.org>
> Cc: <jdev at jabber.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:48 PM
> Subject: [JDEV] forms
> 
> 
> > As I was taking notes at JabberCon, one theme that kept popping into my
> > mind was the need for strong forms support in Jabber. Just as the World
> > Wide Web consisted mostly of reading hyperlinked documents (albeit
> > eventually with some flashy graphics and multimedia stuff) until web
> > developers figured out how to offer interactive forms and therefore
> > "weblications" like searching the web and ordering books online, so I
> > think Jabber will consist mostly of IM (and a few related applications)
> > until we have Jabber forms that will enable developers to create more
> > robust "Jablications" like _______ (you fill in the blank :).
> >
> > I don't have any answers or specific proposals to offer, but I'd certainly
> > like to get the discussion going. Ryan Eatmon put together a proposed spec
> > for Jabber forms a number of months ago, and even converted it into JEP
> > format, but there's been minimal discussion of it and I think that's what
> > we need to move forward. The JEP can be found here:
> >
> > http://foundation.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0004.html
> >
> > More specifically, I'm wondering if there is value in looking at the W3C
> > spec for XForms. Here are some links of interest for that angle:
> >
> > http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2001/09/05/xforms.html
> > http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2001/09/26/xforms.html
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-xforms-20010828/
> >
> > There are 12 people on the forms-jig mailing list and 1050 people on the
> > JDEV list. I invite those of you who are interested in building more
> > advanced data interchange over Jabber (as opposed to simple IM) to join
> > the forms-jig list so we can kick-start this discussion:
> >
> > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/forms-jig/
> 
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