[JDEV] Re: [forms-jig] forms

[Peter Saint-Andre]

OK, cool. I agree that XForms looks heavy but there were some features
that I liked (separation between content and presentation being foremost 
in my mind). 

Send me the newer JEP or just updated it in CVS so I can post the revised
version. :)

Peter

On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Thomas Muldowney wrote:

> Some notes on the forms stuff.  The JEP might not actually be the most current.
> Ryan and I made some changes to better enable the system based on our 
> exploration of the spec with our vose project.
> 
> We did look at XForms, and it's, um, heavy.  It is very detailed and may be 
> overboard for what we need.  That's actually why the jabber forms system
> was designed in the first place.  Current implementation lacked and XForms were
> too much.
> 
> Please do join the list the jig and we can discuss more.
> 
> --temas
> 
> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:48:50AM -0500, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > As I was taking notes at JabberCon, one theme that kept popping into my
> > mind was the need for strong forms support in Jabber. Just as the World
> > Wide Web consisted mostly of reading hyperlinked documents (albeit
> > eventually with some flashy graphics and multimedia stuff) until web
> > developers figured out how to offer interactive forms and therefore
> > "weblications" like searching the web and ordering books online, so I
> > think Jabber will consist mostly of IM (and a few related applications)
> > until we have Jabber forms that will enable developers to create more
> > robust "Jablications" like _______ (you fill in the blank :).
> > 
> > I don't have any answers or specific proposals to offer, but I'd certainly
> > like to get the discussion going. Ryan Eatmon put together a proposed spec
> > for Jabber forms a number of months ago, and even converted it into JEP
> > format, but there's been minimal discussion of it and I think that's what
> > we need to move forward. The JEP can be found here:
> > 
> > http://foundation.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0004.html
> > 
> > More specifically, I'm wondering if there is value in looking at the W3C
> > spec for XForms. Here are some links of interest for that angle:
> > 
> > http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2001/09/05/xforms.html
> > http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2001/09/26/xforms.html
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-xforms-20010828/
> > 
> > There are 12 people on the forms-jig mailing list and 1050 people on the
> > JDEV list. I invite those of you who are interested in building more
> > advanced data interchange over Jabber (as opposed to simple IM) to join
> > the forms-jig list so we can kick-start this discussion:
> > 
> > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/forms-jig/
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > --
> > Peter Saint-Andre
> > email/jabber: stpeter at jabber.org
> > web: http://www.saint-andre.com/
> > 
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