[JDEV] type='error' in presence

[Jim Seymour]

Julian Missig <julian at jabber.org> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 2002-05-11 at 22:43, Jim Seymour wrote:
> > Justin <infiniti at affinix.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Friday 10 May 2002 13:43, Jim Seymour wrote:
> > > > Julian Missig <julian at jabber.org> wrote:
> > > > > Well, you treat type='error' however you want, we don't dictate that :)
> > > >
> > > > Well, yes, I realize *that* :).  What I'm wondering is if that would
> > > > be the logical thing to do?  Seems like it to me.
> > > 
> > > I don't think you need to treat it as 'unavailable', the server should take 
> > > care of that.  
> > 
> > One would think.  But apparently it does not.  Again, the presence
> > message received:
> > 
> >     <presence from='buddy at jabber.myjabber.org'
> > 	    to='user at jabber.ais.cx/GAIM' type='error'>
> > 	<status>Online</status>
> > 	<error code='502'>Server Connect Failed</error>
> >     </presence>
> > 
> 
> Would you rather have the server tell you nothing? 

Nope.  But I was kind of surprised to see "<status>Online</status>"
and "type='error'" at the same time.  Seems kind of contradictory.

>                                                    If type= is anything
> other than 'available' then your client shouldn't be blindly assuming
> it's available.

Agreed.  It currently does.  I wish to fix that.  Which is the point
to this entire thread.

> 
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> 
> > 
> > >                                          Most clients probably don't do 
> > > anything with such presence errors though.
> > 
> > Seems they should...
> 
> What would you recommend? 

That's what I'm asking: what the folks here would recommend.  As I've
said: ISTM the "buddy" should be shown as, effectively, unavailable--
being as he/she effectively *is* unavailable.

>                           Having them appear offline, or better yet, if
> your client has an 'unknown' (for subscription type of 'from' or 'none')
> show type seems adequate -- and if the user asks for more information
> (or maybe activates the mechanism to see the 'status' message) you can
> let them know there was an error in obtaining information about this
> user's presence.

I like the "broken lightbulb" idea Tom Parker came up with :).  Now
all I have to do is get somebody who is handy with creating graphic
to come up with a broken lightbulb graphic for me ;).


Regards,
Jim
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