[JDEV] jabberd and Proxies

[Dave]

The problem here is that if you want to use features that aren't supported by your favorite Jabber server, your only real choice is to run your own.  Jabber is extremely decentralized, to the point where having your own Jabber server is almost as important as having your own SMTP server.  Your ISP provides an SMTP server, so if they won't provide you with a Jabber server, it's only reasonable for them to expect you to provide your own.  (IPv4 over IPv4 tunneling is an interesting way of getting around the issue, but I'm choosing to focus on a different method, HTTP proxying.)

 - Dave


Richard Dobson wrote:
> 
> Well if you are using an AOL dialup connection to host a jabber server then
> I think you have much greater problems to deal with anyway, also there is a
> reason ISP's use such measures, so they can stop people hosting servers on
> their connections when they shouldnt be in the first place, if you want to
> host a server in such a situation change to an ISP that does not have the
> aformentioned proxy servers.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <dave at dave.tj>
> To: <jdev at jabber.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 5:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [JDEV] jabberd and Proxies
> 
> 
> > If you control your firewall, that's great.  If you're behind AOL's proxy,
> > though, you really need a crutch if you want to be able to run your own
> > server ;-)
> >
> >  - Dave
> >
> >
> > Thomas Muldowney wrote:
> > >
> > > I disagree.  Jabber is another service that firewall admins should deal
> > > with appropiately.  Tunnelling is a crutch and abuse of a good firewall
> > > setup, and I think should be avoided.
> > >
> > > --temas
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 14:43, Dave wrote:
> > > > Maybe we should set up some sort of HTTP-based s2s protocol?  That'll
> > > > allow servers to talk to each other even when they're behind
> firewalls.
> > > > (HTTP-based c2s already exists.)
> > > >
> > > > Dave Cohen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =?iso-8859-1?Q?Riviere_St=E9phane_Jean?= wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The answer is : NO
> > > > >
> > > > > And a proxy would only allow outgoing connection (yourServer ->
> > > > > jabber.org:5269) but not the incoming one (jabber.org ->
> yourServer:5269)
> > > > > s2s needs 2 simultanous TCP connection to work...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > > De : Rodrigo Borrego Bernabé [mailto:rb20 at tid.es]
> > > > > Envoyé : mercredi 6 mars 2002 15:06
> > > > > À : jdev at jabber.org
> > > > > Objet : Re: [JDEV] jabberd and Proxies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't open that port.
> > > > > So there is no way to say a jabber server it should use a proxy
> (maybe with
> > > > > a tag in s2s description)?
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > >     Rodrigo
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Riviere Stéphane Jean" <Stephane.SR.Riviere at atosorigin.com>
> > > > > To: <jdev at jabber.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:01 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [JDEV] jabberd and Proxies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if this has changed with the 1.4.2 server but it wasn't
> > > > > possible with the 1.4.1.
> > > > > You have to open the 5269 port on your firewall to enable s2s
> > > > > communication...
> > > > >
> > > > > Stéphane.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > > De : Rodrigo Borrego Bernabé [mailto:rb20 at tid.es]
> > > > > Envoyé : mercredi 6 mars 2002 12:11
> > > > > À : jdev at jabber.org
> > > > > Objet : [JDEV] jabberd and Proxies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can a jabberd server work through a Proxy?
> > > > > I mean, I have my server compiled and working. Clients can connect,
> users
> > > > > can talk (only users connected directly to my server), etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the server cannot find jabber.org. And it's because there's a
> proxy
> > > > > between my server and the Internet.
> > > > > Could anybody help me? Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rodri
> > > > >
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