Hi Justin. Have you looked at a thread of messages at jdev archive site? http://mailman.jabber.org/pipermail/jdev/2002-July/012593.html Partilularly, Mr. Matthias Wimmer's message: http://mailman.jabber.org/pipermail/jdev/2002-July/012596.html I hope this helps. -- )Hiroaki Nakamura) hnakamur at v003.vaio.ne.jp