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[Mattias Campe]

Dave wrote:
> Asking your ISP to setup a Jabber server if you don't mind maintaining
> it yourself may be possible even if your ISP is having financial
> difficulties.  An IM system is certainly a "feature" your ISP can list - a
> feature that many companies pay dearly for.  Your ISP instantly moves into
> a new class when it incorperates IM as a standard feature in its offering.

I'll try it some day :)...

> 
> As for your comment about them realizing the full power of Jabber,
> I think you're a little too much of an optimist.  It's good, though,
> IMHO: we need more optimists in the world.

I know that I can be a little to much of an optimist, but hey, I'm only 
20 years old, I'm only starting to learn the hard reality ;-)

>  - Dave
> 
> 
> Mattias Campe wrote:
> 
>>Dave wrote:
>>
>>>Reply inline:
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>Mattias Campe wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>>>Also, I think we should all list our JIDs as early as possible in our
>>>>>contact info lists.  Having our email addresses and Jabber IDs be the
>>>>>same is also good, because it gives us a measurable advantage over all
>>>>>other major IM systems with the exception of MSN (although why anybody
>>>>>would want to use Hotmail over Yahoo! Mail at this point is beyond me)
>>>>>in terms of consistency.
>>>>
>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>I personally don't think that a lot of people need another e-mail 
>>>>addres. Maybe it's better to write libraries that client developers can 
>>>>use to check their existing e-mail adress(es) for new e-mail. Of course 
>>>>you could make it a server thing and having the info through headlines. 
>>>>Then every client automatically would support this notification (of 
>>>>course if the server supports it)
>>>
>>>Nonono ... I'm not talking about getting another email address; I'm talking about using your domain (which you're probably already using for email) for Jabber too, so you can have your JID be the same as your already-existing email addy :-)
>>
>>Sorry, I misunderstood. Than I also like the idea ;-)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>Lastly, of course (how many people have already shouted this?),
>>>>>getting ISPs to setup a tiny Linux box running a Jabber server for
>>>>>their subscribers would be great, and getting users to ask their ISPs
>>>>>to provide Jabber servers may be even better.
>>>>
>>>>Imagine how it would be if the Jabber Community could be convinced of 
>>>>the use of Jabber! Well, reality is different, real life example: my ISP 
>>>>provided a CD-Rom with some software on it, like IE and Netscape. Guess 
>>>>what sort of IM systems were on it? Jup, ICQ and MSN, not a byte, not 
>>>>even a bit was devoted to Jabber :( ...
>>>
>>>Have you tried complaining to your ISP that they don't "support"
>>>Jabber, or some other type of rediculous accusation just to get their
>>>awareness up?
>>
>>To be honest: no. The problem is that my ISP has some financial problems 
>>   so I think they won't change. Of course if I do not try it, they 
>>probably never change...
>>
>>
>>>>Of course if ISPs would have a Jabber server, then I hope that they make 
>>>>it clear enough to the people that they actually can choose any server 
>>>>they want. Otherwise people will think that Jabber just is another 
>>>>proprietary IM system.
>>>
>>>If an ISP is willing to use Jabber, I'll say "Thank you very much" and
>>>avoid picking any further.  Users will figure out whatever they want
>>>whenever they want, but  the reality is that most users don't seem to
>>>mind being "locked in" even when we're talking about _real_ proprietary
>>>protocols (e.g. AIM, ICQ, YIM, MSNM, etc.).  You certainly won't see me
>>>complaining about people unknowningly using an open IM system ;-)
>>
>>But if they would understand what Jabber is all about, it would be even 
>>greater :D .
>>
>>
>>>>>Clearly, we need to reveal the "secret" of Jabber, because at the moment,
>>>>>Jabber really is one of the best-kept secrets - even in the open source
>>>>>community itself - because people simply don't know what it actually
>>>>>is :-(
>>>>
>>>I can't stress that enough :-(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Dave Cohen <dave at dave.tj>
>>>>
>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>.m.
>>>>
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