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[Dave]

Asking your ISP to setup a Jabber server if you don't mind maintaining
it yourself may be possible even if your ISP is having financial
difficulties.  An IM system is certainly a "feature" your ISP can list - a
feature that many companies pay dearly for.  Your ISP instantly moves into
a new class when it incorperates IM as a standard feature in its offering.

As for your comment about them realizing the full power of Jabber,
I think you're a little too much of an optimist.  It's good, though,
IMHO: we need more optimists in the world.

 - Dave


Mattias Campe wrote:
> 
> Dave wrote:
> > Reply inline:
> > 
> >  - Dave
> > 
> > 
> > Mattias Campe wrote:
> > 
> >>Dave wrote:
> >>
> [...]
> > 
> >>>Also, I think we should all list our JIDs as early as possible in our
> >>>contact info lists.  Having our email addresses and Jabber IDs be the
> >>>same is also good, because it gives us a measurable advantage over all
> >>>other major IM systems with the exception of MSN (although why anybody
> >>>would want to use Hotmail over Yahoo! Mail at this point is beyond me)
> >>>in terms of consistency.
> >>
> >>[...]
> >>
> >>I personally don't think that a lot of people need another e-mail 
> >>addres. Maybe it's better to write libraries that client developers can 
> >>use to check their existing e-mail adress(es) for new e-mail. Of course 
> >>you could make it a server thing and having the info through headlines. 
> >>Then every client automatically would support this notification (of 
> >>course if the server supports it)
> > 
> > Nonono ... I'm not talking about getting another email address; I'm talking about using your domain (which you're probably already using for email) for Jabber too, so you can have your JID be the same as your already-existing email addy :-)
> 
> Sorry, I misunderstood. Than I also like the idea ;-)
> 
> > 
> > 
> >>>Lastly, of course (how many people have already shouted this?),
> >>>getting ISPs to setup a tiny Linux box running a Jabber server for
> >>>their subscribers would be great, and getting users to ask their ISPs
> >>>to provide Jabber servers may be even better.
> >>
> >>Imagine how it would be if the Jabber Community could be convinced of 
> >>the use of Jabber! Well, reality is different, real life example: my ISP 
> >>provided a CD-Rom with some software on it, like IE and Netscape. Guess 
> >>what sort of IM systems were on it? Jup, ICQ and MSN, not a byte, not 
> >>even a bit was devoted to Jabber :( ...
> > 
> > Have you tried complaining to your ISP that they don't "support"
> > Jabber, or some other type of rediculous accusation just to get their
> > awareness up?
> 
> To be honest: no. The problem is that my ISP has some financial problems 
>    so I think they won't change. Of course if I do not try it, they 
> probably never change...
> 
> > 
> >>Of course if ISPs would have a Jabber server, then I hope that they make 
> >>it clear enough to the people that they actually can choose any server 
> >>they want. Otherwise people will think that Jabber just is another 
> >>proprietary IM system.
> > 
> > If an ISP is willing to use Jabber, I'll say "Thank you very much" and
> > avoid picking any further.  Users will figure out whatever they want
> > whenever they want, but  the reality is that most users don't seem to
> > mind being "locked in" even when we're talking about _real_ proprietary
> > protocols (e.g. AIM, ICQ, YIM, MSNM, etc.).  You certainly won't see me
> > complaining about people unknowningly using an open IM system ;-)
> 
> But if they would understand what Jabber is all about, it would be even 
> greater :D .
> 
> >>>Clearly, we need to reveal the "secret" of Jabber, because at the moment,
> >>>Jabber really is one of the best-kept secrets - even in the open source
> >>>community itself - because people simply don't know what it actually
> >>>is :-(
> >>
> > I can't stress that enough :-(
> > 
> > 
> >>>Dave Cohen <dave at dave.tj>
> >>
> >>[...]
> >>
> >>.m.
> >>
> >>
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