[JDEV] Emoticons: guidelines

[Mattias Campe]

dman wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 09:09:57AM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote:
> | dman wrote:
> | >On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 01:57:07AM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote:
> | >...
> | >| I personally think that the representation of an emoticon should be 
> | >| descriptive, because it could be that people use a non-emoticon client 
> | >| (e.g. they find all those emoticons overhead). So instead of (l) (MSN 
> | >| example) we could use :love: Because I think "I :love: you" is more 
> | >| comprehensible than "I (l) you" (Hmm, maybe a bad example ;-) ).
> | >
> | >People (me) who use non-graphical-smiley systems won't be bothered to
> | >use colons to indicate an "emoticon".  If I want emphasis, I use the
> | >existing ASCII-art convention of underscores or stars.  If I want an
> | >"emoticon" I type, eg, :-).  If it just happens to be graphical on the
> | >other side, I don't care.  IOW, it's fine like it is.
> | 
> | I didn't mean that everything should be with words to be descriptive, 
> | like ":-)" itself is descriptive enough. Indeed, I would also want as 
> | much ASCII-art as possible. But for those other "expressions" (e.g. 
> | love) other things are needed and (l) (b) don't mean much to me.
> | Suppose I'm a hardcore Windows-user and I talk to you through Jabber:
> | 
> | I just (e) u. I also have a (i) for your project. Maybe we could discuss 
> | after a (~) or we could (b). I have some bad news, my (@) died, yeah, I 
> | know: (u) .
> | Damn, I'm tired, well, look at the (o), I'll need some (c) , no I'll 
> | just (s) ... BTW, do not forget, it's my (^) tomorrow, hope to have good 
> | weather so (h) Anyway, I'll (t) or (m) you tomorrow.
> 
> That looks horrible.

That's why I would like it more like: "I just :email: u etc."

> 
> | Maybe, some of them you can figure out.
> 
> Not much other than the ones you explicitly told us.  (Actually, I
> understand the "BTW" one!)

How is it possible you understand (^), (h), (t) and (m) without ever 
using MSN?

> 
> | But (supposing you never used MSN)
> 
> That's me.
> 
> | try to write the full text without looking at e.g. 
> | http://communities.msn.com/Emoticons. The only thing I'm personally 
> | afraid of is that a lot of clients will start using MSN emoticons. I'm 
> | using Gabber myself and some friends use Exodus and a lot of the time I 
> | have to ask what they mean with (t)(h)(i)(n)(g)(s) like this. Why 
> | shouldn't it be done write the wright way?
> 
> The "wright" way (sorry, I had to) is to just write what you meant.
> hax0rs can do all the nasty munging they want with their words, but
> real hackers use real English (or their native tongue, if it's
> different, and the other party also understands it).

Sorry for the "wright" thing ;-) , hey, but try to speak Dutch one time ;-p
If you want Jabber to be known to a lot of people, you will need the 
Windows community were a lot of people kick on using emoticons. Those 
people find it "cool" and "necassary" . If you would live in Belgium I 
would let you try to convince some of my friens of using simple native 
language text instead of those emoticons, you would probably fail...

> 
> | [...]
> | >| Once again, maybe this sounds strange to you, but people really kick on 
> | >| emoticons. It's like "programs don't have to be usefull, they have to be 
> | >| cool". I'm almost sure I can convince my sister just like that if a 
> | >| client would have cool emoticons.
> | >
> | >If you want to make a jabber client that does funny graphics with
> | >certain text strings, go ahead.  I like eb's and gabber's non-support
> | >of graphical smileys.  Exodus (a windows client) has graphical smiley
> | >support, but if you're using win98 you need to fix it (windows, that
> | >is).
> | 
> | Sorry, for the next 2-3 months I really won't have the time. And I 
> | personally think there are already enough Jabber clients. I know Exodus 
> | has emoticons but they are MSN emoticons :(
> 
> Is ":(" an MSN emoticon?  I thought those were universally understood
> and come from the days before computers could handle graphics.

Euhm, where did I say that ":(" is a typical MSN emoticon??

> 
> -D
> 

"hax0rs can do all the nasty munging they want with their _names_, but
real hackers use _full names_" ;-p you don't keep up your principles ... 
(sorry for my bad English)


.m.