[JDEV] A way to spread the message about Jabber and interoperability

Thu Nov 15 17:41:48 CST 2001

Yes, very good points.

Perhaps we should start an Advocacy JIG to organize efforts to put 
Jabber into more of a spotlight and to answer intelligently questions 
that are posed to us.

Justin

On Thursday, November 15, 2001, at 05:18  PM, Ragavan S wrote:

> Hi,
>
> To be fair to Rikard, I think his message came out of the desire to 
> make people aware of Jabber. The approach he suggested may not be the 
> most appropriate one, but I think his intention is clear.
>
> I am also of the opinion that we definitely need to get more publicity 
> than what we have right now. If you look at it, MSN/Yahoo/AOL all have 
> a LOT of publicitly and they also advertise shamelessly (albeit on 
> their own sites and their partner's sites), so I don't see anything 
> wrong with us Jabberites doing that. I would really hate to see Jabber 
> not playing a big role in the still 'standard-less' IM world and also 
> in the broader realm of app-2-app routing. Right now, most of the 
> publicity seems to be confined to organizations that are using Jabber 
> internally and to the Open Source world.
>
> I think we can start with first making sure the majority of the Linux 
> world starts hearing about Jabber (which may already be the case) and 
> then moving on to a broader base of users.
>
> I strongly believe that Jabber has a LOT of potential to influence the 
> way IM (and XML routing) shapes up in the coming future. But, I also 
> feel that there needs to be a lot more 'awareness-building' among the 
> general population if we are to pose a serious threat to the likes of 
> MSN/AOL/Yahoo AND to make a strong case to the Standards bodies.
>
> One simple suggestion would be to say start showing small ads on sites 
> that Open Source folks frequent (like O'Reilly sites, Slashdot, 
> Freshmeat etc). With the help of people like Tim O'Reilly, Craig 
> Burton, Dave Winer, Doc Searls etc (all Jabber enthusiasts), I am sure 
> we can start getting the word around and become more noticeable.
>
> My 0.02 paise.
>
> Regards,
> Ragavan
>
>
>
>> I tend to agree. Not to mention that we'd give them a reason to block
>> us. Think of it this way, AOL is blocking various Jabber clients out of
>> spite and some vague notion of "illegal network traffic". However, 
>> Yahoo!,
>> Microsoft and ICQ (while owned by AOL) have more or less left us
>> alone. Yet Yahoo! and Microsoft are both business ventures, and they
>> probably have left us alone becuase our distribution is fairly
>> minor. However, if we start actively recruiting users through their
>> networks, they are likely to be more upset. With just a couple
>> hundred/thousand Jabber users accessing their networking, its 
>> probably a
>> minor annoyance, but if people start leaving en masse, it does damage 
>> to
>> their business model, and if we are actively attacking their bottom 
>> line,
>> there will probably be repercussions/retaliation. They may even 
>> actively
>> attempt to block Jabber servers from accessing their networks, and if 
>> this
>> happens we're back where we started -- running multiple clients.
>>
>> Not to mention I would find it rather annoying should I be running
>> Yahoo!'s client or MSN Messenger and when a friend of mine said "Hi, 
>> how
>> are you doing?" it was automatically converted to "Hi, how are you
>> doing? -- This message brought to you by Jabber. 
>> http://www.jabber.org/".
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Justin Mecham wrote:
>> > I am totally against any sort of advertising such as this. Even 
>> though I
>> > want to get the word out about Jabber I don't think this is the right
>> > way. If you are chatting with those people anyways, just mention 
>> Jabber
>> > to them yourself. If I were not using Jabber and received this 
>> message I
>> > would be extremely annoyed and would likely never try Jabber, but 
>> that's
>> > just me.
>> >
>> > Another point is that having any sort of static or repetative string 
>> of
>> > text in messages to the networks we are trying to interoperate with, 
>> we
>> > are providing them with a fingerprint with which they can block us 
>> with.
>> > All they have to do is detect messages that contain that string and 
>> they
>> > can easily drop that message or disconnect you from the server,
>> > rendering your transport useless.
>> >
>> > I want more people to use Jabber as much as anyone, but forcing our
>> > message onto people who may not want it or even care about it is a 
>> bad
>> > idea.
>> >
>> > Justin
>> >
>> > On Thursday, November 15, 2001, at 01:52  PM, Rikard Linde wrote:
>> > > Hi. Today I read news about people using multiple IM
>> > > clients!! This made me upset so I wrote a message to
>> > > Jabber people who are in a position to do something
>> > > about this. Here's a short summary of the message:
>> > >
>> > > By attaching a message to each stream going to other
>> > > networks (ICQ, MSN, Yahoo...) Jabber can promote
>> > > interoperability and itself. This capability is unique
>> > > to Jabber as it is the only interoperable IM platform.
>> > >
>> > > You can read the entire message at:
>> > >
>> > > http://www.sprinterface.com/rikard/promoteinteroperability.html
>> > >
>> > > What do you think? What's good about it? What's bad
>> > > about it? Alternatives?
>> > > If you think this is a good idea I'd be glad if you
>> > > influnced people in a position to do something about
>> > > it (people running servers, people coding transports,
>> > > the Jabber council etcetera).
>> > >
>> > > Rikard
>> > >
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