Good points and discussion. In this case a center critical mass will probably prove more productive them dispersed bits of information. And it is difficult to "reason" with Wiki when they have their minds made up on something. <div dir="ltr"><div>Geof Lambert | 916.225.6769 </div><div dir="ltr" style="padding: 10px 0pt 5px; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13.3px;">Chat: <img src="http://www.images.wisestamp.com/gtalk.png" style="vertical-align: middle; padding-right: 5px;" alt="" width="16" height="16">Google Talk: geof.lambert <img src="http://www.images.wisestamp.com/skype.png" style="vertical-align: middle; padding-right: 5px;" alt="" width="16" height="16">Skype: geof.lambert <img src="http://www.images.wisestamp.com/msn.png" style="vertical-align: middle; padding-right: 5px;" alt="" width="16" height="16">MSN: <a href="mailto:geof.lambert@gmail.com">geof.lambert@gmail.com</a></div> <div dir="ltr" style="padding: 5px 0pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13.3px;">Contact Me: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/geoflambert" target="_service" style="padding: 0pt 2px;"><img src="http://www.images.wisestamp.com/linkedin.png" alt="Linkedin" style="vertical-align: middle; padding-bottom: 5px;" width="16" border="0" height="16"></a><a href="http://www.facebook.com/geof.lambert" target="_service" style="padding: 0pt 2px;"><img src="http://www.images.wisestamp.com/facebook.png" alt="Facebook" style="vertical-align: middle; padding-bottom: 5px;" width="16" border="0" height="16"></a><a href="http://twitter.com/digitaldivide" target="_service" style="padding: 0pt 2px;"><img src="http://www.images.wisestamp.com/twitter.png" alt="Twitter" style="vertical-align: middle; padding-bottom: 5px;" width="16" border="0" height="16"></a></div> </div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre <<a href="mailto:stpeter@stpeter.im">stpeter@stpeter.im</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Someone at Wikipedia is actively working to delete entries about various software projects that supposedly fail Wikipedia's "notability" test. Pages about some XMPP software projects have already been deleted (e.g., Coccinella) and it seems that others will be deleted in the near future (e.g., Exodus, Gajim, ejabberd). Yesterday I reviewed the some of the discussions about these pages, and in my opinion the "deletionists" are not very open to reasoned argument. While we could spend a lot of time trying to fight these deletions, I think it would be more productive to move these pages over to <a href="http://wiki.xmpp.org" target="_blank">wiki.xmpp.org</a> and make that the most accurate source for information about XMPP technologies (along with the regular <a href="http://xmpp.org" target="_blank">xmpp.org</a> site). Naturally, you are free to spend time and energy on Wikipedia, but I think the site is a lost cause, so I am going to spend my time and energy on a wiki where our work won't be deleted because someone has some misguided ideas about "notability". If you'd like to help build out <a href="http://wiki.xmpp.org" target="_blank">wiki.xmpp.org</a>, feel free to ask one of the sysops there for an account. Typically the sysops hang out in the <a href="mailto:jdev@conference.jabber.org">jdev@conference.jabber.org</a> chatroom. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre <a href="https://stpeter.im/" target="_blank">https://stpeter.im/</a> _______________________________________________ JDev mailing list Forum: <a href="http://www.jabberforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20" target="_blank">http://www.jabberforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20</a> Info: <a href="http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev" target="_blank">http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="mailto:JDev-unsubscribe@jabber.org">JDev-unsubscribe@jabber.org</a> _______________________________________________ </blockquote></div>