Really, this is a client implementation issue.  You see the MUC room as too formal, when in fact, they're completely throw-away, and the client could handle it behind the scenes.  Generate a random chat room, invite everyone in, have your conversation, and leave easily, without the formal interface of a full-on MUC room.  This is one of the disadvantages of XMPP not being tightly integegrated with a service (anyone can run XMPP in whatever way they want), so it seems to me that there needs to be a proceedural XEP and maybe some service discovery for default place on the server to make throw-away MUC rooms so that the client doesn't have to be configured for a particular MUC component and doesn't have to assume either. In short, yes, MUC is the way to do it, and that's what it's there to partially serve.  There just needs to be a way for clients to distinguish formal rooms with informal ones, and I think your feature request would be handled. <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Toby Schaffer <<a href="mailto:jts@adc.idt.com">jts@adc.idt.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'm trying to get Jabber going at my company for IM and chat, and so far it's working ok. But one major roadblock is the lack of the ability to have an n-way conversation (eg, I want to talk to two coworkers, and only those two, and have all three of us see all the replies) without using a chat room. It appears XEP-0033 (extended stanza addressing) describes a way to do this with email-style cc and bcc. However, I can't find any server - or even a client - which supports this. How do people hold n-way conversations now? I was told in one forum that everyone just uses MUC, but it seems very awkward to have to create or modify a room to have a conversation with a given set of multiple recipients. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks. -- Toby Schaffer _______________________________________________ JDev mailing list FAQ: <a href="http://www.jabber.org/discussion-lists/jdev-faq" target="_blank">http://www.jabber.org/discussion-lists/jdev-faq</a> Forum: <a href="http://www.jabberforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20" target="_blank">http://www.jabberforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20</a> Info: <a href="http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev" target="_blank">http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev</a> Unsubscribe: <a href="mailto:JDev-unsubscribe@jabber.org">JDev-unsubscribe@jabber.org</a> _______________________________________________ </blockquote></div>