Also, "Java" didn't "drop" Swing.   IBM developed the SWT library which is used by the Eclipse IDE and RCP framework.  Sun is still very much behind Swing.  Swing's new GTK LookAndFeel is using native Gtk widgets and is looking VERY nice. <div>On 11/24/05, Trejkaz <<a href="mailto:trejkaz@trypticon.org">trejkaz@trypticon.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> > agreed, tcl/tk looks ugly.  gtk is fairly ugly too.  Only really Qt is > starting to look pretty.  (under win32).  Notice Java dropped their > horrid Swing toolkit in preference for native widgets (which makes > apps like Azeureus look practically native) Actually, this is almost exactly the opposite of what really happened. They originally had native widgets (AWT) and replaced it with the much better and more flexible Swing. TX </blockquote></div>