<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"> <title></title> </head> <body> I'd like to say one thing on this topic. When I started using jabber, and developing a client, I used jabber.org as my primary server.  This caused me problems with the whole transport side of things. You cannot blame the jabber.org jabber server situation for frustration... Number 1, it is a development server. Number 2, just think how many concurrent users that may be on the server, and possibly trying to use the same transport... I know for a fact that 90% of the situations its not actually *just* the jabber server causing the problem, transports have their fair share of issues also. I would like to see transports removed from jabber.org, i know a lot of people will dissagree with me, but at the end of the day, with the large amount of users that use jabber.org, and the qos the typical person expects, would it not be nicer to have a higher qos, by not having these transport issues in the first place? My recommendation is always to try one or two of the transports offered by other servers. -Dan Bart van Bragt wrote: <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid3E89AA1E.3070000@vanbragt.com">Richard Dobson wrote: <blockquote type="cite">Your server should be sending unavailables if it stops, and if it crashes should probably do that on startup to clear everything up. </blockquote> It should but it doesn't.. This is my primary annoyance with Jabber. It happens to me all the time that I see people online/offline when they aren't. The roster and the 'real' contactlist are out of sync a large part of the time. Especially when my connection to jabber.org gets dropped these problems start to appear. Of course I can notice that I only see Jabber people online so in that case I either explicitly logoff from the MSN transport and then logon again. When I do this I get the complete list of online users again. If I do nothing I only get the updates which means that I only see people online that came online after I reconnected to jabber.org IMO the MSN transport should receive status information from jabber.org telling it that my connection dropped. Apparently that doesn't happen. Bart _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jdev@jabber.org">jdev@jabber.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</a> </blockquote> <div class="moz-signature">-- Daniel Chote Developer/Designer and typical drunk! email/jabber: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:daniel@chote.net">daniel@chote.net</a> blog:<a href="http://daniel.chote.com">http://daniel.chote.com</a> website:<a href="http://www.chote.com">http://www.chote.com</a></div> </body> </html>