Disclaimer: I'm not on the Sametime team and in no way speak in any official capacity whatsoever about it. Please do not quote me on anything in this e-mail, lest you get me into trouble. I've heard around the office that Lotus Sametime controls about 60% of the corporate desktop instant messaging market (the same market that Jabber, Inc. plays in). From what I understand, it's managing to do well against other offerings at least partly because of its encryption and server-side logging facilities, which are mission-critical for IT departments in the financial sector, for example. (Server-side logging seems unsavory to us in the open-source community, but it's a legal requirement for many enterprises) Also note that Sametime is not just instant messaging and presence (or "awareness" as it is called), but it is also an entire e-meeting platform with audio/video conferencing, whiteboarding, etc. Sametime 3 and up is moving to a SIP-based protocol. It is nice that the Sametime client talks to AIM because Lotus/IBM has an agreement with AOLTW. Other than that, the client program is nothing to sneeze at, particularly compared to the slick UIs you see in MSN. But Sametime provably scales (very few deployments are going to compare to its deployment to 300,000 IBM desktops) and it integrates with other Lotus/IBM offerings, particularly Notes/Domino and WebSphere Portal Server. -Mike <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td> <td>Mattias Campe <mattias.campe@rug.ac.be> Sent by: jdev-admin@jabber.org 08/12/2002 07:11 AM Please respond to jdev <td>                To:        jdev@jabber.org         cc:                 Subject:        [JDEV] "Lotus sametime" = really another IM system in this world?        </table> <tt>Hi, while sb told me about SIMP (see previous post: "SIMP = open soure concurrent for Jabber?") another one told me about "Lotus sametime" from IBM: http://www.lotus.com/products/lotussametime.nsf/wdocs/homepage Why didn't they user Jabber for it? They did develop their own Jabber client didn't they: http://www.jabbercentral.org/clients/view.php?id=984618555 Or is "Lotus sametime" actually based on Jabber? And if it is based on Jabber, is it compatible with it, so that I can chat with "Lotus sametimers"? If you want to have a cool demo about "Lotus sametime", you should check out http://media.lotus.com/appdev/sametime/demos/demo.html I must honestly say that I've never seen such a demo about Jabber and the whiteboard seems cool (but I thought Jabberzilla has one too)... Plz let me know what you know about "Lotus sametime". greetings mattias _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list jdev@jabber.org http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev </tt>