<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <TITLE></TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.3103.1000" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>Jens, I completely agree on all 3 points.  Hopefully the final conferencing protocol will work some other way.  The current draft seems like its just IRC wrapped into jabber, sans the ping/pong.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Robert</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr>-----Original Message----- From: Jens Alfke [mailto:jens@mac.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:55 PM To: jdev@jabber.org Subject: [JDEV] Server-generated conference messages are a problem </DIV> The conference/groupchat server will post user-visible messages about people joining/leaving the chat room, e.g. "jens has arrived." These are problematic for several reasons: (1) They are localized by the server, not the client, so they don't necessarily match the language used by the client or by the rest of the conversation in the chat room. (2) They refer to people by their nicknames; by contrast, my client is going to make efforts to look up real names and use those in its UI whenever possible (unless the chat room disallows this.) (3) They assume the client's GUI wants to use text messages to indicate people joining or leaving. While this is true of the boring old textual chat UI that everyone uses, I have different ideas and these messages are getting in my way. For the above reasons I would like my client to just ignore these messages and manage its own UI for showing people joining/leaving. However, I'm worried that the server may send out messages for other reasons either now or in the future. Are there any other types of messages that the chat room sends by itself, which I may not want to drop on the floor and kick into the corner? —Jens</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>