<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2654.59"> <TITLE>RE: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> My observation is that the server does store messages when the receiver is off-line, but at this time no feedback is given to the sender. The <offline/> event (described in events.html) could be sent by the server in such a case, allowing the sending client to give appropriate indication to the user, like ICQ does. -----Original Message----- From: travis@thinkvirtual.com [<A HREF="mailto:travis@thinkvirtual.com">mailto:travis@thinkvirtual.com</A>] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:21 PM To: jdev@jabber.org Subject: RE: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable? So let me get this straight, I send a message, if the recipient receives a message, he responds saying that the message was received right?  And if there was no response, the sender client would save the message and try again? Now this brings me to another question, does the server store any messages at any time?  Like if I send a message to a user that is offline, can the server store that message and send it when that user goes online (like ICQ or e-mail even)? Travis ---- Original Message ---- From: temas <temas@box5.net> Sent: 2001-05-03 10:52:24.0 To: jdev@jabber.org Subject: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable? <A HREF="http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/events.html" TARGET="_blank">http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/events.html</A> <A HREF="http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/expire.html" TARGET="_blank">http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/expire.html</A> Although not spec yet, we have discussed this issue before, and events have some functionality tailored to that idea. --temas On 03 May 2001 10:01:34 -0500, Colin Madere wrote: > > Couldn't someone relatively easily build this into a client?  You could sent > "message receipt" messages with the ID of the message sent to you and the > client could take care of keeping track of it.  Just send a message with an > <x> namespace that the special client knows to process differently.. no > server mod necessary... > > -----Original Message----- > From: travis@thinkvirtual.com [<A HREF="mailto:travis@thinkvirtual.com">mailto:travis@thinkvirtual.com</A>] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:25 PM > To: jdev@jabber.org > Subject: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable? > > > I couldn't imagine using a messenger in a business environment that didn't > get all the messages through to me.  That would go straight into the trash > can if I wasn't sure I was going to get a message or not.  I'm pretty sure > that when using icq or the other messengers, you do not lose any messages, > or I have never run across it at least and I've used icq for years now. > This is probably the one thing that will make me switch back to icq (been > using jabber for about a month now) until this is smoothed over.  It's not > the lack of features because the most important thing here is messaging, but > the lack of reliability.   > > I really think there should be a way of guaranteeing that a message was > received.  Or if not, at least bounce it back.   > > Travis > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: Colin Madere <colin@vedalabs.com> > Sent: 2001-05-02 13:19:00.0 > To: "'jdev@jabber.org'" <jdev@jabber.org> > Subject: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable? > > > > I don't know that everyone needs _guarenteed_ messaging (although I'm sure > everyone would like it).  That does add overhead and client/server > complexity.  I've looked into things such as SonicMQ, MQseries and JMS in > general and a Jabber server/client developed on JMS would probably be an > interesting thing to do. > (JMS = Java Message Service) > Are there any open standards out there regarding message queing / guarenteed > messages etc. besides JMS (since some people still don't like Java)? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: temas [<A HREF="mailto:temas@box5.net">mailto:temas@box5.net</A>] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:19 PM > > To: jdev@jabber.org > > Subject: Re: [JDEV] Unreliable? > > > > > > What's the whole setup? > > > > As for messaging as you describe it, this is being discussed in JAM. > > > > --temas > > > > On 02 May 2001 10:20:25 -0600, travis@thinkvirtual.com wrote: > > > My main concern with jabber is that you can't always be > > guaranteed to receive a message.  Now most of my list is icq > > buddies, but I miss a lot of messages.  I tell people to > > email me if they want to make sure I get it.  > > > > > > Now I'm not sure if this is the server or the client (i'm > > using jim mostly)?  Or is it just that it's mostly from icq users?  > > > > > > Could someone give me some insight into this?  Thanks. > > > > > > Travis Reeder > > > Chief Software Architect > > > ThinkVirtual > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > jdev mailing list > > > jdev@jabber.org > > > <A HREF="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev" TARGET="_blank">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</A> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > jdev mailing list > > jdev@jabber.org > > <A HREF="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev" TARGET="_blank">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</A> > > > _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list > jdev@jabber.org <A HREF="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev" TARGET="_blank">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</A> _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list jdev@jabber.org <A HREF="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev" TARGET="_blank">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</A> _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list jdev@jabber.org <A HREF="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev" TARGET="_blank">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</A> </BODY> </HTML>