<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12"> <TITLE>RE: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Correct and yes. Offline messages are supported in the current server, to my knowledge.  I don't know all the gory details though :) > -----Original Message----- > From: travis@thinkvirtual.com [<A HREF="mailto:travis@thinkvirtual.com">mailto:travis@thinkvirtual.com</A>] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:21 PM > To: jdev@jabber.org > Subject: RE: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable? > > > So let me get this straight, > > I send a message, if the recipient receives a message, he > responds saying that the message was received right?  And if > there was no response, the sender client would save the > message and try again? > > Now this brings me to another question, does the server store > any messages at any time?  Like if I send a message to a user > that is offline, can the server store that message and send > it when that user goes online (like ICQ or e-mail even)? > > Travis > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: temas <temas@box5.net> > Sent: 2001-05-03 10:52:24.0 > To: jdev@jabber.org > Subject: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable? > > <A HREF="http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/events.html" TARGET="_blank">http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/events.html</A> > <A HREF="http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/expire.html" TARGET="_blank">http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/expire.html</A> > > Although not spec yet, we have discussed this issue before, and events > have some functionality tailored to that idea. > > --temas > > On 03 May 2001 10:01:34 -0500, Colin Madere wrote: > > > > Couldn't someone relatively easily build this into a > client?  You could sent > > "message receipt" messages with the ID of the message sent > to you and the > > client could take care of keeping track of it.  Just send a > message with an > > <x> namespace that the special client knows to process > differently.. no > > server mod necessary... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: travis@thinkvirtual.com [<A HREF="mailto:travis@thinkvirtual.com">mailto:travis@thinkvirtual.com</A>] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:25 PM > > To: jdev@jabber.org > > Subject: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable? > > > > > > I couldn't imagine using a messenger in a business > environment that didn't > > get all the messages through to me.  That would go straight > into the trash > > can if I wasn't sure I was going to get a message or not.  > I'm pretty sure > > that when using icq or the other messengers, you do not > lose any messages, > > or I have never run across it at least and I've used icq > for years now. > > This is probably the one thing that will make me switch > back to icq (been > > using jabber for about a month now) until this is smoothed > over.  It's not > > the lack of features because the most important thing here > is messaging, but > > the lack of reliability.   > > > > I really think there should be a way of guaranteeing that a > message was > > received.  Or if not, at least bounce it back.   > > > > Travis > > > > ---- Original Message ---- > > From: Colin Madere <colin@vedalabs.com> > > Sent: 2001-05-02 13:19:00.0 > > To: "'jdev@jabber.org'" <jdev@jabber.org> > > Subject: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable? > > > > > > > > I don't know that everyone needs _guarenteed_ messaging > (although I'm sure > > everyone would like it).  That does add overhead and client/server > > complexity.  I've looked into things such as SonicMQ, > MQseries and JMS in > > general and a Jabber server/client developed on JMS would > probably be an > > interesting thing to do. > > (JMS = Java Message Service) > > Are there any open standards out there regarding message > queing / guarenteed > > messages etc. besides JMS (since some people still don't like Java)? > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: temas [<A HREF="mailto:temas@box5.net">mailto:temas@box5.net</A>] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:19 PM > > > To: jdev@jabber.org > > > Subject: Re: [JDEV] Unreliable? > > > > > > > > > What's the whole setup? > > > > > > As for messaging as you describe it, this is being > discussed in JAM. > > > > > > --temas > > > > > > On 02 May 2001 10:20:25 -0600, travis@thinkvirtual.com wrote: > > > > My main concern with jabber is that you can't always be > > > guaranteed to receive a message.  Now most of my list is icq > > > buddies, but I miss a lot of messages.  I tell people to > > > email me if they want to make sure I get it.  > > > > > > > > Now I'm not sure if this is the server or the client (i'm > > > using jim mostly)?  Or is it just that it's mostly from > icq users?  > > > > > > > > Could someone give me some insight into this?  Thanks. > > > > > > > > Travis Reeder > > > > Chief Software Architect > > > > ThinkVirtual > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > jdev mailing list > > > > jdev@jabber.org > > > > <A HREF="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev" TARGET="_blank">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</A> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > jdev mailing list > > > jdev@jabber.org > > > <A HREF="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev" TARGET="_blank">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</A> > > > > > _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list > > jdev@jabber.org <A HREF="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev" TARGET="_blank">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</A> > > _______________________________________________ > jdev mailing list > jdev@jabber.org > <A HREF="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev" TARGET="_blank">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</A> > > _______________________________________________ > jdev mailing list > jdev@jabber.org > <A HREF="http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev" TARGET="_blank">http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev</A> > </BODY> </HTML>