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<P><FONT SIZE=2>temas,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Any chance you could give us a quick run-down of what dpsm does and how it should be used? I scanned the source and such, but it would be nice to get a clear picture from the author about it :)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>colin</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: temas [<A HREF="mailto:temas@box5.net">mailto:temas@box5.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:22 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To: jdev@jabber.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: RE: [JDEV] Distributed design of jabber</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> dpsm is me. It works right now (requires kernel module for devpoll</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> support). It's not fully tested, but that should be </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> happening more this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> week. Give it a go and help develop it and I'll love you =)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Not sure on mod_farm right now, haven't looked in a while.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --temas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> On 02 May 2001 09:56:50 -0500, Colin Madere wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Another note:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > According to jabber.com, they charge based on concurrent </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> users on the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > server. Currently they are in a state which it is not </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> profitable for them</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > to deal with small companies(they didn't really give me a number) or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > companies that did not have a _gaurenteed_ high number of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> concurrent users.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Going on three weeks now that I'm waiting for answers to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> technical questions</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > to see if the jabber.com server is a viable solution for my company.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > IOW, until they get some big sales and can beef up on </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> resources (read: more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > employees), I wouldn't waste your time or theirs unless you </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> have a need for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > a server (and can afford it - once again, I didn't get any </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> prices) that will</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > have a constant concurrent user count above 10K (that's my </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> guess, since they</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > didn't give me any solid numbers).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > (Don't get me wrong, I understand their need to focus on </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> customers that can</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > bring in the big cash until they have good income and are </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> stabilized)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > WHILE I'm on the subject, hey JER and whoever else has </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> worked on it, what's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > the status of dpsm and.... 'mod_farm' is it?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > From: dizzyd@dizzyd.com [<A HREF="mailto:dizzyd@dizzyd.com">mailto:dizzyd@dizzyd.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:24 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > To: jdev@jabber.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Subject: Re: [JDEV] Distributed design of jabber</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Lemme just translate this marketing stuff to engineering speak:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > >"Enables Distributed Processing across multiple server </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > "farms" which in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > > turn may support multiple CPUs."</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Jabber.com reworked the server to be pre-emptively multi-threaded</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > (pthreads). Additionally, some work on JSM was done to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> permit multiple</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > JSMs to be fully meshed across a network. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > >"Allows components of a Jabber server to be distributed </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > across multiple</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > > machines, enabling a greater degree of inherent redundancy."</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Not sure what this means. :) </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > >"Enables groups of "socket" connections to be </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> distributed across</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > > >mini-servers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > The component formerly known as jpoll. Open source now has an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > equivalent called dspm (or dpsm, never can get it straight).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > As it stands, j.com has pretty much rewritten most of jabberd </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > to be super</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > efficient and thread-safe. This was _not_ a minor </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> undertaking, but was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > well worth the effort. Jabber.com provides a super-fast, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> fully QA'd</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > and peer-reviewed implementation of jabberd/jsm/etc. They've </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > worked very</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > hard to make it scalable and robust. :) Doing these sorts </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> of things</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > (scalability and robustness) have not been things that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the Open Source</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > movement has shown much interest in this far (with good </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> reason). Very</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > few people need to run a Jabber server for 200k+ concurrent users;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > these are (some of) the people that Jabber.com caters to.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Hope that helps. :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > Diz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > > </FONT>
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