[jdev] ejabberd vs. Wildfire

[Matt Tucker]

Hey all,

Just wanted to respond to a few points in this thread.

1) I know that any legal text can look somewhat scary. However, the
contributor agreement we use is very standard among well-run Open Source
projects. For example, here's the Apache one:

http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt

The purpose of the js.org contributor agreement is to ensure that the
source code contributed from third parties can always be released under
GPL. It also gives us the right to release the code under a commercial
license agreement, which is necessary for our business model. It
preserves the right for the contributor to also do whatever else they'd
like with their code (release it under another Open Source or even
commercial license, etc).

2) I don't know anything about Process-One, but I don't think there's
any reason to worry about the longevity of Wildfire or Jive Software.
There are tens of thousands of downloads a month of Wildfire, a very
active Wildfire community, and millions of Java developers. I know
dozens of individuals and companies that have done customizations to the
source code. We (Jive Software) have been around for five years and have
been profitable from the start. We're also very open about our business
model for Wildfire and Spark and about why we sponsor Open Source and
free projects:

http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/im/

Regards,
Matt

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jdev-bounces at jabber.org 
> [mailto:jdev-bounces at jabber.org] On Behalf Of Florian Holzhauer
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:16 AM
> To: Jabber software development list
> Subject: Re: [jdev] ejabberd vs. Wildfire
> 
> Hi Sander, Hi List,
> 
> on Sun, 22 Jan 2006, Sander Devrieze wrote:
> > Op zondag 22 januari 2006 15:22, schreef Tomasz Sterna:
> > > I'm looking at it from the very pragmatic point of view:
> > > - How many developers that groks Java are "out there"?
> > > - And how many developers groking erlang are there?
> > >
> > > How does that impact the future of both servers?
> > 
> > This is not the only question you need to ask yourself. 
> 
> Besides, the question is incomplete. The first part should 
> be: "How many developers that groks Java and are willing to 
> sign 
> http://www.jivesoftware.org/jsorg_contributor_agreement.pdf 
> are out there?" 
> 
> I had and have my "issues" with ejabberd - Sander, maybe you 
> still are aware of our discussion this summer ;) - but I 
> would always choose ejabberd over Wildfire - and erlang seems 
> to have really nice features for a service like jabber.
> 
> Yes, I understand the reason of the mentioned pdf, and I 
> understand why it has to be there. But it still sounds to me 
> a bit like "you code for free, we earn money with your work". 
> And I really dont like that one. Feel free to flame me for that.
> 
> Viele Gruesse aus Berlin,
> Florian.
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