[JDEV] Re: [jadmin] muc always sends history?

[David Sutton]

Hi all,

  I agree that this shouldn't be included in the MUC spec. My initial
feelings when I saw this is that it would 'clutter' the system. The
little piece of history we return (or not, depending) is to allow a new
participant to be able to catch up quickly with the conversation that
has been taking place, rather than having them keep asking 'whats going
on' 

  Longer term than this example. I would consider the data as an
archive, and whilst it would be nice to have a component that allowed a
user to request data from the archive, there is already a way of doing
this with the browser as well. 

Regards,

  David

On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 11:02, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Again, I see this as an implementation issue. Logs are long-lasting
> archives of activity within the room (we have logs for the chat service
> on jabber.org going back to 2000 or 2001). Which log does the user want?
> Today's? Yesterday's? The one from 2001-01-16?
> 
> I don't think this should be in the MUC spec. That spec is big enough as
> it is right now. But another spec for interacting with room logs might
> be good (should it be rolled into the chat history discussion?).
> 
> Peter
> 
> On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 08:59:45AM -0700, pineman_jabber at yahoo.com wrote:
> > Peter,
> > 
> > But if I'm not mistaken, there is no way to access the
> > log by sending an XML stanza to query the muc service.
> > 
> > 
> > I think people should be able to do presence and
> > getting logs/history in two steps. But of course this
> > raises an issue of how history is defined: before
> > entering the room, or before requesting the history.
> > That flexiblity should be in the spec too I think.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Sam
> > 
> > --- Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at jabber.org> wrote:
> > > Isn't that what logs are for?
> > > 
> > > /psa
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:09:37PM -0500, David
> > > Sutton wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >   
> > > >   Having just re-read the JEP, 6.2.12 only covers
> > > half of the request.
> > > > History recall is only performed with the initial
> > > presence stanza. There
> > > > would need to be a way to request history
> > > replaying from another stanza.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > >   David
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 14:15, Peter Saint-Andre
> > > wrote:
> > > > > I just added this to the protocol last week.
> > > Still not implemented yet:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0045.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > Refer to section 6.2.12 (Managing Discussion
> > > History).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Peter
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 11:46:44AM -0700,
> > > pineman_jabber at yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I noticed that when a user joins a muc
> > > conference
> > > > > > room, history of the room is sent to the user
> > > > > > automatically. Is there a way to change the
> > > behavior?
> > > > > > For example, can I <presence> to a muc room
> > > and then
> > > > > > get the message history in a separate query?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > 
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