[JDEV] integrity messenger questions

[Sean Bowman]

>From Slashdot:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/15/1350230&mode=thread&tid=155

>From the Patent Office:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/net
ahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ft00&s1=activebuddy&OS=activeb
uddy&RS=activebuddy



-----Original Message-----
From: Dave [mailto:dave at dave.tj] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:11 PM
To: jdev at jabber.org
Subject: Re: [JDEV] integrity messenger questions

Okay, if two people remember the announcement being about an _application_
for a patent and not of a _granted_ patent, I'll shut up :-)

 - Dave


On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 12:49:25PM -0800, Sameer Verma wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> 
> >Oh ... hmm ... I thought the bot folks had just _gotten_ the patent. . .
> >
> > - Dave
> >
> >  
> >
> Before they get a claim, copyright or patent, etc. they sorely need 
> spellchecking and grammar software. ;-) ...unless they have applied a 
> patent for words like "*collaberate*". It makes an amusing read. :-)
> 
> Sameer
> 
> -- 
> Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Asst. Professor of Information Systems
> San Francisco State University
> San Francisco CA 94132 USA
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
> 
> 
> >On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:42:01AM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>IIRC, the bot folks applied for a patent. There's a big difference
between
> >>applying and receiving. :)
> >>
> >>Peter
> >>
> >>--
> >>Peter Saint-Andre
> >>Jabber Software Foundation
> >>http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.php
> >>
> >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Dave wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Well, if prior art didn't prevent that bot buddy company from getting
> >>>patents on IM bots, what's to make us think Integrity Messenger won't
> >>>be able to patent IM itself?
> >>>
> >>>A tad paranoid, and borderline delusional,
> >>> - Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 01:22:44PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Tijl Houtbeckers wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>And don't forget this part of their website:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://www.integritymessenger.com/about.php
> >>>>>
> >>>>>quote:
> >>>>>"
> >>>>>It is that desire that has propelled Integrity Messenger to strive
for 
> >>>>>excellence, and achieve industry first technologies never before seen

> >>>>>in an Instant Messaging solution. **Many of the technologies within
the 
> >>>>>Integrity Messenger are presently being filed for patent.** (my 
> >>>>>emphasis) 
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Integrity Messenger would like to thank The Jabber Foundation at this

> >>>>>time for allowing us to temporarily infrastructure our software on 
> >>>>>their server solution while we prepare to launch our own XML/SIP
based 
> >>>>>server. Special thanks to David (the Founder) and Peter for their 
> >>>>>invitation to join their network." 
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>Note that they consider Dave Smith to be the "Founder" of Jabber. I
had
> >>>>several long telephone conversations with these folks, and Dave joined
me
> >>>>on one of them. Somehow they got the notion that he founded Jabber.
Not
> >>>>sure how, though.
> >>>>
> >>>>While I don't seek to minimize Justin's pain in dealing with these
people,
> >>>>I think it's important to understand that they are not a major threat
to
> >>>>the Jabber community. My strong impression from talking with them is
that
> >>>>they were incompetent, paranoid, and borderline delusional. Whether
they
> >>>>lack basic moral scruples or just don't know what they are doing, I'm
not
> >>>>sure (I tend toward the former but I like to give people the benefit
of
> >>>>the doubt). But I can tell you that their supposed patent applications
> >>>>will not be successful if they are attempting to patent things related
to
> >>>>or based on Jabber -- the Jabber community possesses evidence of prior
art
> >>>>going back to at least the summer of 1999, and Integrity Messenger is
a
> >>>>much more recent creation.
> >>>>
> >>>>Peter
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Peter Saint-Andre
> >>>>Jabber Software Foundation
> >>>>http://www.jabber.org/people/stpeter.php
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
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stare
> >>>at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*".
> >>>        -- Linus Torvalds
> >>>
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