[JDEV] Re: theoretic-smtp, Ransom License, Jabber and GPL incompatibility

[Julian Missig]

Please read Thomas Muldowney's post on the issue... he's the one mostly
in charge of JabberStudio.

On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 05:00, James Michael DuPont wrote:
> 
> This is my last mail about this,
> if you want to continue the license talk, lets take it outside, 
> maybe to gnu.misc.dicuss?
> 
> --- Michael Brown <michael at aurora.gen.nz> wrote:
> > That could be a reference to just about any non-GPL'ed Jabber
> > software.  
> Fine, it could. But the accessing the CVS GPLed for code promised 
> got me annoyed because I encounter the Ransom again.
> That is what triggered my mail.
> 
> Note : I only sent a private email to Adam, with all my questions and
> comments about the Ransom when I encountered it on his webpage.
> I did not make a big deal out of it, because it was just on his page.
> I got no answer to my questions, but left it at that. There is no
> reason for me to bother him about this in public.
> 
> But the source code for the GPLed Jabber software is hosted on the same
> CVS server as the Ransom code. The Yabber code and other are not hosted
> there. 
> 
> I am not worried about non-free Jabber clients, just annoying licensing
> terms and contradictory actions.
> 
> You did not put the source code for yabber in a place where free
> software code is and then not ask me to use it? 
> You did not ask me to delete what I accidentally downloaded?
> 
> No, and I have no issues with yabber, or any other non-free source
> code.
> 
> > For example we could one day choose to release Yabber under the GPL. 
> > Right now
> > it's not. 
> Fair enough. 
> From the Yabber FAQ: 
> >Q. Is Yabber open source?  Why not?
> >A. No.  We haven't ruled out opening the source code at some stage,
> >but at this point it is going to remain closed source freeware until
> >we decide what is in Yabbers best interest.  There are heaps of open
> >sourced clients you can help out on - check JabberStudio and
> <Sourceforge.
> 
> That is completly different then putting ransomed code onto a place
> that someone will inadvertenly download it , and read it, and get into
> a moral dilemma if they can use snippets of the code.
> 
> > You are reading way too much into this.
> Look, all I wanted to do was jump on the bandwagon and 
> try out some jabber stuff. 
> My interpretation is completly fair, I am not trying to make a big deal
> about it, just presenting the facts.
> 
> > James Michael DuPont <mdupont777 at yahoo.com> wrote :
> > > The jabberstudio server contains a CVS server that has GPL and JOSL
> > > code. That is why I went to the jabbercentral.org and downloaded
> > > the entire source code from cvs to review it.
> [SNIP]
> --- Michael Brown <michael at aurora.gen.nz> wrote:
> > You downloaded this from "jabbercentral.org*?  Jabber central has a
> > whole
> > pile of non-open sourced software on it.  
> [SNIP]
> >  Or are you meaning JabberStudio.org?
> 
> Sorry, I am talking about CVSing sources here, there is no cvs for
> ransomed code on the "jabbercentral.org" server is there?
> 
> I meant "JabberStudio.org" they have CVS,
> I get confused from all these Jabbers :
> first I read outdated docs that say to download from jabber.org,
> then I get the source code from there and have to delete parts of it.
> 
> All I am saying is that I am confused and annoyed by all this.
> As I said, we can continue this on gnu.misc.discuss if you want,
> I have stated the facts and my opinions. I dont want insult or bother
> anyone, not adam or anyone else. 
> 
> My issues are valid, and others may find the situation equally as
> confusing and misleading as I do. It is really a question of personal
> viewpoint here isn't it?
> 
> MIke
> 
> =====
> James Michael DuPont
> http://introspector.sourceforge.net/
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