[JDEV] Jabber, the Name

Wed May 16 04:43:51 CDT 2001

Thank you temas. I was just about to say that.
May I suggest Members list, maybe !

zad

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jdev-admin at jabber.org [mailto:jdev-admin at jabber.org]On Behalf Of
> temas
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:07 AM
> To: jdev at jabber.org
> Subject: Re: [JDEV] Jabber, the Name
>
>
> Wow that was repeitive and rambly sorry, just kind of stirred, and I'm
> not sure why.  I'm starting to think this thread is very off topic for
> the jdev mailing list, but I can think of a better place for it to
> happen.  Any ideas?
>
> --temas
>
> On 15 May 2001 22:39:13 -0500, temas wrote:
> > I feel this horribly distorts my points into a corporate view.
> > Jabber.Com made no progress on getting people to do mundane tasks, and
> > they have not yet made any progress on getting people to do mundane
> > tasks.  They are still carried out by by the people that have been
> > working on them since the beginning of Jabber.  I began my tasks long
> > before I was hired by Jabber.Com.  As is right now, at this very instant
> > nothing has changed in the process for new people to join and help in
> > these "mundane" tasks, not one bit, so how is the relaxing of a name
> > going to change anything?
> >
> > Frankly, I don't think it will because corporations have to make money.
> > Writing publiically available documentation makes a company no money.
> > Having someone sit around and work on public documentation rather than a
> > manual to your software, or tech docs to your software just doesn't make
> > sense to me.  I'm sure this doesn't necessarily make sense coming from
> > someone that works for a company on only open source projects, but I
> > have helped jabber.com make money by going to corporations and doing
> > tech talks, and by advocating Jabber in general.
> >
> > None of that are statements made regarding the specific use of the word
> > Jabber in a product or name, here are some of my personal thoughts on
> > the name issue:
> >
> > How does the possiblity of getting hired by a company be affected by the
> > name (such as only Jabber.Com), I feel I would have just as much with
> > O'Reilly, or some company looking for a real sharp technical writer (how
> > many instant messaging startups are there out there right now?  I dunno
> > let me look in my inbox at some of the job solicitations).  The name
> > does not reflect that at all.
> >
> > My thoughts on the issue overall are this (speaking from a purely not
> > jabber.com view).  The real issue here is who holds the Jabber
> > trademark, not how it is carried out.  I strongly, and I do mean
> > strongly feel that it should not be polluted in the way that Linux has.
> > Ponder this question:  "Do you have Linux?"  Now if I was asked this by
> > a person I didn't know would I think they mean linux th e OS, Red Hat
> > Linux, a VA Linux workstation, a VA Linux server, a Pocket Linux system?
> > What the heck do they want to know?!  The Linux trademark is very very
> > polluted now, what if I went out and made a killer win32 jabber client
> > and called it Linux Thang.  Everyone takes to calling it Linux and I get
> > millions upon millions of downloads, suddenly someone once again says
> > "Hey you got that new Linux yet?"  Oh man, is that a kernel or the new
> > release I just made of my client.  Dang I'm stuck.
> >
> > Summarize, I do not think that companies or anyone should be able to
> > freely use the word Jabber like that.  What I do think should be
> > available is an easy to use process to receive a derivate certification
> > mark from the trademark holder, or some other derivate mark that then
> > fully gives me the right to use the word, phrase, symbol whatever for
> > the spreading of my work or ideas.  Jabber is something amazing, and it
> > really should be available to all and be allowed to easily spread and
> > become the de facto IM standard.  I really do _not_ want it to become
> > another word that has absolutely no meaning and solidarity, because that
> > doesn't let us achieve what we want.
> >
> > --temas
> >
> > On 15 May 2001 20:00:40 -0700, Flora Brunas wrote:
> > > --- temas <temas at box5.net> wrote:
> > > > I want to very very strongly restate what Peter
> > > > said.... The lack of
> > > > powerful transports and document ation is because of
> > > > people, not the
> > > > corporations, and suggesting otherwise is a bit
> > > > ludicrous in my opinion.
> > > > These are mundane tasks, and basically no one will
> > > > ever step up to the
> > > > plate.  I have, and even I feel it sucks.  I get
> > > > bored and lose interest
> > > > in them for a while, and eventually come back.
> > >
> > > This shows my point, Temas.
> > >
> > > People obviously aren't willing to do the mundane
> > > tasks.  Jabber.com comes along, and makes some
> > > progress on this, but still there are only 5 "core
> > > dudes" making progress in getting things out.  (your
> > > words)
> > >
> > > If other corporations besides Jabber.com are allowed
> > > to get involved, they can put resources and money into
> > > this as well.  But other corporations are being told
> > > by Jabber.com not to mention Jabber in their company
> > > names, product names, domain names, etc, thus
> > > deflecting them away from Jabber and away from
> > > contributing to Jabber.
> > >
> > > Also, I think more volunteer Jabber programmers & tech
> > > writers would get involved if there was the potential
> > > of several corporations possibly hiring them, not just
> > > Jabber.com.
> > >
> > > If you want more than 5 core dudes, make Jabber OPEN
> > > for real!
> > >
> > > Flora
> > >
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