[JDEV] Unreliable?

Fri May 4 09:27:10 CDT 2001

In the offline case, wouldn't it be the same method except the server
responds to you? (and indicates the user is offline)?

-----Original Message-----
From: travis at thinkvirtual.com [mailto:travis at thinkvirtual.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:29 AM
To: jdev at jabber.org
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?

The MSN way doesn't work that well though because you both have to be online
at the same time.  Does anyone know how ICQ does this?  That seems like the
most reliable system.

Travis

---- Original Message ----
From: Max Metral <Max.Metral at peoplepchq.com>
Sent: 2001-05-03 14:01:56.0
To: "'jdev at jabber.org'" <jdev at jabber.org>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?

The way MSN does it is much lighter weight in general (but provides less
functionality).  Basically if an ack isn't received within a timeout, the
client is in charge of alerting the user that something went wrong (which it
does by putting a red message in the IM window saying the message *may* not
have been received).  It may be doing a retry under the covers

-----Original Message-----
From: travis at thinkvirtual.com [mailto:travis at thinkvirtual.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:21 PM
To: jdev at jabber.org
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?

So let me get this straight,

I send a message, if the recipient receives a message, he responds saying
that the message was received right?  And if there was no response, the
sender client would save the message and try again?

Now this brings me to another question, does the server store any messages
at any time?  Like if I send a message to a user that is offline, can the
server store that message and send it when that user goes online (like ICQ
or e-mail even)?

Travis

---- Original Message ----
From: temas <temas at box5.net>
Sent: 2001-05-03 10:52:24.0
To: jdev at jabber.org
Subject: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?

http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/events.html
http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/expire.html

Although not spec yet, we have discussed this issue before, and events
have some functionality tailored to that idea.

--temas

On 03 May 2001 10:01:34 -0500, Colin Madere wrote:
> 
> Couldn't someone relatively easily build this into a client?  You could
sent
> "message receipt" messages with the ID of the message sent to you and the
> client could take care of keeping track of it.  Just send a message with
an
> <x> namespace that the special client knows to process differently.. no
> server mod necessary...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: travis at thinkvirtual.com [mailto:travis at thinkvirtual.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:25 PM
> To: jdev at jabber.org
> Subject: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?
> 
> 
> I couldn't imagine using a messenger in a business environment that didn't
> get all the messages through to me.  That would go straight into the trash
> can if I wasn't sure I was going to get a message or not.  I'm pretty sure
> that when using icq or the other messengers, you do not lose any messages,
> or I have never run across it at least and I've used icq for years now.
> This is probably the one thing that will make me switch back to icq (been
> using jabber for about a month now) until this is smoothed over.  It's not
> the lack of features because the most important thing here is messaging,
but
> the lack of reliability.   
> 
> I really think there should be a way of guaranteeing that a message was
> received.  Or if not, at least bounce it back.   
> 
> Travis 
> 
> ---- Original Message ---- 
> From: Colin Madere <colin at vedalabs.com> 
> Sent: 2001-05-02 13:19:00.0 
> To: "'jdev at jabber.org'" <jdev at jabber.org> 
> Subject: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable? 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know that everyone needs _guarenteed_ messaging (although I'm sure
> everyone would like it).  That does add overhead and client/server
> complexity.  I've looked into things such as SonicMQ, MQseries and JMS in
> general and a Jabber server/client developed on JMS would probably be an
> interesting thing to do.
> (JMS = Java Message Service) 
> Are there any open standards out there regarding message queing /
guarenteed
> messages etc. besides JMS (since some people still don't like Java)?
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: temas [mailto:temas at box5.net] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:19 PM 
> > To: jdev at jabber.org 
> > Subject: Re: [JDEV] Unreliable? 
> > 
> > 
> > What's the whole setup? 
> > 
> > As for messaging as you describe it, this is being discussed in JAM. 
> > 
> > --temas 
> > 
> > On 02 May 2001 10:20:25 -0600, travis at thinkvirtual.com wrote: 
> > > My main concern with jabber is that you can't always be 
> > guaranteed to receive a message.  Now most of my list is icq 
> > buddies, but I miss a lot of messages.  I tell people to 
> > email me if they want to make sure I get it.  
> > > 
> > > Now I'm not sure if this is the server or the client (i'm 
> > using jim mostly)?  Or is it just that it's mostly from icq users?  
> > > 
> > > Could someone give me some insight into this?  Thanks. 
> > > 
> > > Travis Reeder 
> > > Chief Software Architect 
> > > ThinkVirtual 
> > > 
> > > 
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