[JDEV] Unreliable?

[Colin Madere]

Correct and yes.

Offline messages are supported in the current server, to my knowledge.  I
don't know all the gory details though :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: travis at thinkvirtual.com [mailto:travis at thinkvirtual.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:21 PM
> To: jdev at jabber.org
> Subject: RE: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?
> 
> 
> So let me get this straight,
> 
> I send a message, if the recipient receives a message, he 
> responds saying that the message was received right?  And if 
> there was no response, the sender client would save the 
> message and try again?
> 
> Now this brings me to another question, does the server store 
> any messages at any time?  Like if I send a message to a user 
> that is offline, can the server store that message and send 
> it when that user goes online (like ICQ or e-mail even)?
> 
> Travis
> 
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: temas <temas at box5.net>
> Sent: 2001-05-03 10:52:24.0
> To: jdev at jabber.org
> Subject: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?
> 
> http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/events.html
> http://docs.jabber.org/draft-proto/html/expire.html
> 
> Although not spec yet, we have discussed this issue before, and events
> have some functionality tailored to that idea.
> 
> --temas
> 
> On 03 May 2001 10:01:34 -0500, Colin Madere wrote:
> > 
> > Couldn't someone relatively easily build this into a 
> client?  You could sent
> > "message receipt" messages with the ID of the message sent 
> to you and the
> > client could take care of keeping track of it.  Just send a 
> message with an
> > <x> namespace that the special client knows to process 
> differently.. no
> > server mod necessary...
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: travis at thinkvirtual.com [mailto:travis at thinkvirtual.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: jdev at jabber.org
> > Subject: RE: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable?
> > 
> > 
> > I couldn't imagine using a messenger in a business 
> environment that didn't
> > get all the messages through to me.  That would go straight 
> into the trash
> > can if I wasn't sure I was going to get a message or not.  
> I'm pretty sure
> > that when using icq or the other messengers, you do not 
> lose any messages,
> > or I have never run across it at least and I've used icq 
> for years now.
> > This is probably the one thing that will make me switch 
> back to icq (been
> > using jabber for about a month now) until this is smoothed 
> over.  It's not
> > the lack of features because the most important thing here 
> is messaging, but
> > the lack of reliability.   
> > 
> > I really think there should be a way of guaranteeing that a 
> message was
> > received.  Or if not, at least bounce it back.   
> > 
> > Travis 
> > 
> > ---- Original Message ---- 
> > From: Colin Madere <colin at vedalabs.com> 
> > Sent: 2001-05-02 13:19:00.0 
> > To: "'jdev at jabber.org'" <jdev at jabber.org> 
> > Subject: RE: [JDEV] Unreliable? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't know that everyone needs _guarenteed_ messaging 
> (although I'm sure
> > everyone would like it).  That does add overhead and client/server
> > complexity.  I've looked into things such as SonicMQ, 
> MQseries and JMS in
> > general and a Jabber server/client developed on JMS would 
> probably be an
> > interesting thing to do.
> > (JMS = Java Message Service) 
> > Are there any open standards out there regarding message 
> queing / guarenteed
> > messages etc. besides JMS (since some people still don't like Java)?
> > > -----Original Message----- 
> > > From: temas [mailto:temas at box5.net] 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 1:19 PM 
> > > To: jdev at jabber.org 
> > > Subject: Re: [JDEV] Unreliable? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What's the whole setup? 
> > > 
> > > As for messaging as you describe it, this is being 
> discussed in JAM. 
> > > 
> > > --temas 
> > > 
> > > On 02 May 2001 10:20:25 -0600, travis at thinkvirtual.com wrote: 
> > > > My main concern with jabber is that you can't always be 
> > > guaranteed to receive a message.  Now most of my list is icq 
> > > buddies, but I miss a lot of messages.  I tell people to 
> > > email me if they want to make sure I get it.  
> > > > 
> > > > Now I'm not sure if this is the server or the client (i'm 
> > > using jim mostly)?  Or is it just that it's mostly from 
> icq users?  
> > > > 
> > > > Could someone give me some insight into this?  Thanks. 
> > > > 
> > > > Travis Reeder 
> > > > Chief Software Architect 
> > > > ThinkVirtual 
> > > > 
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