FYI, I ended up short-circuiting the karma code in jabberd/lib/rate.c:jlimit_check(). Using <dec>0</dec> does not seem to work. Regards, Dustin -- Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at usa.net> http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear In the beginning the Universe was created. This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams