[JDEV] IETF, Jabber, etc..

[Thomas D. Charron]

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:31:13   Anders Qvist wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Thomas D. Charron wrote:

>*Systems* may be required to be all things to all people. That does
>not mean that Jabber needs to solve all these problems. When the time
>comes, let us start a project to do presence stuff.

  Exactly what I meant when I said 'In a different transport'.  The presence transport will NEED to be there, or else Jabber will die in 18 months, when the 'official' interoperability protocol will come out.

>The people at the pulver.com meeting were mainly from the commercial
>world, right? Their software/hardware needs to solve all problems,
>or the buyer will take his/her money elsewhere, right? That is why MS
>Word does all things but nothing well.

  Isn't that what we're doing, though?  The 'unified IM platform' sounds like we're being pretty all things to me.. ;-P

>We don't need to reason like that. Our software is free. If there is
>need for a presence mechanism, it will be done. If Jabber is well
>established at the time, it will very likely be the platform a
>presence project will start out from. If they make persuasive a
>argument that Jabber itself needs extension, we will do it then. In my
>opinion, the OSS community has proved again and again that integrating
>or extending free software is rarely difficult where there is a real
>need.

  My point was not that we need to follow the lead of the companies.  My point was that I believe that this is something that jabber will need.

>In short, let's take one thing at a time. Don't worry so much if we're
>doing the right thing. We can worry about that when we're done. Let us
>keep an open mind and focus on the goal.

  No offense, but 'don't worry if we're doing it the right way' sounds pretty silly.  I'm guessing I'm taking this further then you meant, but it comes accross poorly, to be honest..

>Don't read me wrong. I don't say that we shouldn't think about presence
>or any other part of the Universe Jabber may come into contact with. I
>just want to say: "Think about this - *then* go forth and conquer!"

  Thinking about it is why I brought it up.. ;-P
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Thomas Charron




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