[JDEV] UI opinions..

[Thomas D. Charron]

  Actually, I just had another idea..  Alternate compiles of the same code base..  Aka, the 'bloat' version which supports all UI's, and alternate compiles like WinJab - AIM, that ONLY has the AIM interfaces included in the final EXE..

  Could be done..

  And as far as your last message, as soon as we have working CVS again, I can also checkin the start of a perl/tk client based around the Jabber::Client modules..  ;-P
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Thomas Charron

On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:00:51    arh14 wrote:
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>Um, I hope that is not the sound of bloat I hear.  I am admittedly 
>somewhat ignorant of windows executable resource usage, but am I correct 
>in not liking the sound of putting ALL possible UI interfaces as 
>resources in the executable?  Wouldn't drag-n-drop solve this: the user 
>drags and drops his/her interface around until they're happy?  AFAIK MFC 
>is oriented towards this type of thing...pulling of bars and attaching 
>them to other sides of the window, etc.
>
>I apologize if I'm a bit spartan...maybe I should just go write myself a 
>Perl front-end around the command line jabber ;)
>
>Aaron
>
>
>On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Thomas D. Charron wrote:
>
>>   Actually, I was thinking about that, and it's ENTIRELY possible to make the client have several different 'UI modes' of operation.  Basically, in Windows development, dialogs are resources..  I can include several dialogs that all function 'differently', and allow a configuration option to choose which sets to use..
>> 
>>   If the Win32 client ever does support skins on a larger scale (Aka, round windows, etc..), I will probrably end up buying a theme library and building a seperate client off of that, so as not to add to the bulk of the basic client..
>> 
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>> Thomas Charron
>> 
>> On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:38:24    Scott Robinson wrote:
>> >Microsoft had the right idea when it allowed users to just drag and drop the
>> >buttons they liked onto the tool bar.
>> >
>> >Configurability with simplicity is the way everyone _wants_ to go, but
>> >getting there seems to be the problem. Bars or menus? Both?
>> >
>> >While the ICQesque interface is generally agreed to be evil, that is what
>> >the user expects. At the very least, we should have a client that has a
>> >similar UI.
>> >
>> >Skins? Customizable UI? If we wrote a standard (read portable) Jabber client
>> >that supported radical modification of the UI with a few nice defaults that
>> >we created, I would think this would solve all our problems. You may say
>> >"but that would be to hard! Think of all the code we'd have write to
>> >specialize the interface..."
>> >
>> >Scripting language? If we have a scripting language for the Jabber client,
>> >then I would hope it could modify the UI. In fact, why just modify, why not
>> >control! jabber.cfg points to a script which in effect is all the UI code.
>> >This would drastically reduce our porting problems if we were to go the
>> >standard client route. If we move as much as we can to our scripting
>> >language, leaving the actual network code and VM to be ported it would make
>> >our job much easier.
>> >
>> >While everyone on our Jabber list are techies, if we want Jabber to succeed
>> >in "The Real World" then we need to make it easy for users. When that Jabber
>> >install program boots up, its only question should be "How do you want
>> >Jabber to look? ICQ/AIMesque? mIRCesqe? ..." and etc.
>> >
>> >As always, I'm officially "on crack" so anything I say can be disregarded.
>> >
>> >Scott.
>> >
>> >* Vivre Draco translated into ASCII [Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 12:23:36AM -0500][<VPOP31.3.0b.19990806002337.570.1d.1.130a3d50 at oakwind>]
>> >> On 4 Aug 99,, Ben Apple sounded off on Re: [JDEV] UI opinions..:
>> >> 
>> >> > 	When given a choice, some users prefer buttons and some menu
>> >> > bars... I think it's a good idea to have the complete bunch in the
>> >> > menu bars, and the more basic (and frequently used) duplicated on
>> >> > the list window. 
>> >> 
>> >>    Guess it's time to expand on my last message (which, for those of 
>> >> you who are skimming, consisted entirely of the words  
>> >> "Configurability, configurability, configurability!").
>> >[snap]
>> >
>> 
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